Talk:Balts

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to navigation Jump to search

Balts[edit]

Balts (German "Balten") are a group of people ,who live at the Baltic Sea . The Baltic Sea or Eastern Sea ("Ostsee") was earlier by Tacitus in 98 AD Agricola and Germania called Mare Suebicum after the Suebi.
The languages of the Balts , or [Baltic Languages]? are classified as [East Baltic]? and [West Baltic]?. The Baltic Germans (Balten-Deutsche) were forced out of their homelands in Lithuania, Latvia and Esthonia (earlier "Kurland, Livland, Lettland )by Stalin . They were either brought to Siberia , killed or escaped to the West, along with fifteen to eighteen million other ethnic Germans from Eastern Europe.
Some orphaned children of the German Balts and of neighboring Eastern Prussia were taken in and hidden from communist authorities . Stalin's military troups had overrun the Baltic lands and all of Eastern Europe, starting in winter 1944 .The Soviet Union occupied Lithuania ,Latvia and Esthonia for fifty years . After the fall of the Iron Curtain these children, called "Wolfskinder?" (children raised by wolfs) now are attempting to find out their identity .
Today only the Eastern Baltic countries are called Baltic States , because the Western Baltic country of Prussia has been dismembered by the Soviet Union, now Russia asOblast Kaliningrad.The larger part of West and East-Prussia is submerged into Poland. While millions of the inhabitants were killed or forced to leave ,some have been able to remain in their homeland of East or West Prussia, despited greatest hardships.In 1946/47 they received classification as "Autochthones" by the communist occupation Polish administration authorities.

The text above was removed by user:167.83.96.xxx saying "eliminated non relevant information".

1946 Prussia was NOT the Western Baltic Country!!! - it was one of the German Lands. Real Baltic Prussians were already germanizated by the German Teutonic Order (and later by Polish-Royal Prussia and German Prussia) till XVI-XVII century.

Translation of Russian maps into English[edit]

This article contains three excellent-looking maps, however they are all in Russian. I would like to ask if someone could translate them into English and other languages please.Tolkien5 (talk) 22:19, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@Tolkien5: The first map seems to give too old an age for the Baltic Finns group. --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii (talk) 15:12, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Related ethnic groups[edit]

Hi, how are Finnic peoples / Baltic Finns related to Balts in ethnic terminology? I mean genetically, why not - but this page is not about genetics. See the Dutch people as an example - they have "Germanic peoples" and then very close neighbours from inside that grouping under related ethnic groups, because the Dutch are germanic people. I don't see how it's right that Baltic Finns are mentioned on this article. Blomsterhagens (talk) 16:17, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

One part of relation is genetics. The other part might be Curonians who were at some point considered Baltic Finns and/or Balts, and that is disputed until this day by some historians. – Sabbatino (talk) 11:28, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
@Sabbatino:I'm sorry, I don't understand. Are there any sources which claim that Finnic peoples are a "related ethnic group" to Balts? I can not find a single source. Re Curonians - some scholars in the 19th century thought they were Finnic, but nowadays it's a consensus that they were Baltic. Clearly listed in the sources on the Curonians page as well. I don't know why it's relevant though. The Livonians were clearly Finnic and were also living in what is today Latvia. So the Livonians would be a better argument. They later assimilated into the Latvian ethnos. But why is that relevant? Ethnic groups are not defined by genetics. If genetics and assimilation plays a role, we should start listing Swedes, Danes, Germans, Poles etc as "related ethnic groups". See the related ethnic groups under Swedes it lists the other North Germanic peoples + generally mentions Germanic peoples. That's the way it should be. It makes no mention of Finnic peoples, although there's been a sizeable Finnic minority in Sweden for thousands of years. And Finland was a part of Sweden for most of its history. Blomsterhagens (talk) 12:10, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
@Blomsterhagens: First of all, you cannot remove "Baltic Finns" from the infobox after one day since your message. Give it about a week before removing it. In addition, seeing that some IP keeps adding it back after the removal, I decided to ignore it as I honestly do not care or wish to edit war over such small thing. Secondly, I intentionally did not reply, because you keep changing your statement every five minutes, which is frustrating and sometimes it is hard to make a reply when someone is undecided what he/she wants to say (this is just a friendly observation, because that is happening a lot around Wikipedia). You either write what you want at once or leave an "EDIT:" or similar note if you want to add something. Thirdly, I looked through some books in Lithuanian language and none of them mention any relation to Baltic Finns (of course those are the books that I have at home and I am certainly not going to the library for that). I believe the main problem is the template itself, because there are no explanations about what should/should not be included in the infobox's parameters. – Sabbatino (talk) 19:21, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
thank you Blomsterhagens (talk) 22:21, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Category:Baltic countries and territories[edit]

It is currently being proposed that Category:Baltic countries and territories be deleted. This article is related to that category. The relevant discussion is located at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 8#Countries and territories by language family. The deletion discussion would benefit from input from editors with a knowledge of and interest in Baltic neopaganism. Krakkos (talk) 12:03, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Balts&oldid=953011518"