Talk:Traditional Chinese medicine

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2019[edit]

Please either change the title of this topic to 'CLASSICAL CHINESE MEDICINE', or change the content completely. The historical information in this article is incorrect. Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) was created in the 1950's under the communist party. TCM was created to 'fuse' it with the western world and many of the mentioned aspects of the classical practice of medicine (Yin/Yang, 5 Elements and all the ancient historical references) have been either adulterated or removed from the learning and practice of TCM. Classical Chinese Medicine is the ancient and historical practice of Chinese Medicine, which this article is mostly about. This article confuses the two and is therefore incorrect. 92.211.57.142 (talk) 15:47, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

No. Roxy, the dog. wooF 15:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Why not, Roxy, the dog. ? Zezen (talk) 23:36, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps it's better to discuss on the page when it changed over, what was changed, and the difference between CCM and TCM? I'm very curious about that. The Crisses (talk) 13:08, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

TCM kills: animals, nature and people. Let us add such section.[edit]

I am missing the (TCM or otherwise) elephant here.

TCM, its political promotion (allegedly, also by the WHO and Western press) and the belief in its efficacy kill. See e.g. the trade in pangolins: https://www.traffic.org/publications/reports/the-global-trafficking-of-pangolins/ the elephant tusks, etc. for starters. Why is there no section about such disastrous (un?)intended consequencies here? 

The hidden "There are some concerns over illegal trade and transport of endangered species including rhinoceroses and tigers,..." does not cut it, as it is not made into a full Section.

If you do not care about nature, but more about "4 Gender in traditional medicine 5 Clinical encounters with women..." then think e.g. about the resulting pandemics and its impact on people.

I am risking allegations of heavy POV here. But this elephant is too large and the ommission too glaring. Zezen (talk) 08:03, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

It also saves lives though— plenty of pieces of traditional western medicine kills too. Are you advocating to place that in a section for western medicine? Kizemet (talk) 02:13, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Re: Critique[edit]

From the Wikipedia entry: Artemisinin (/ˌɑːtɪˈmiːsɪnɪn/) and its semisynthetic derivatives are a group of drugs used against malaria due to Plasmodium falciparum.[1] It was discovered in 1972 by Tu Youyou, who was co-recipient of the 2015 Nobel Prize in Medicine for her discovery.[2] Treatments containing an artemisinin derivative (artemisinin-combination therapies, ACTs) are now standard treatment worldwide for P. falciparum malaria[citation needed]. Artemisinin is isolated from the plant Artemisia annua, sweet wormwood, a herb employed in Chinese traditional medicine. Bufb (talk) 19:41, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

In New Zealand the practice of Acuncture is ACC accredited. Shenqijing (talk) 11:35, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Critiques[edit]

I'm concerned that the entire section on critiques refers to scientific evidence and clinical trials as if 1) there's one form of science when there's a multitude of scientific perspective 2) there isn't high stakes for euro white western practitioners invalidating alternative medicines 3) as if racism doesn't play a huge role in how traditional Chinese medicine has been perceived in the us and western world 4) a huge part of Chinese medicine is around the idea that the body requires balancing and each body is different. There isn't one right answer for every single condition because for many conditions -the root isn't the same. There's a difference between treating a broken arm with certain common methods and addressing something like back pain. Back pain isn't going typically have the same cause in most people

Without acknowledging these it erases a lot Kizemet (talk) 02:19, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Kizemet:, please read WP:FORUM. If you are proposing a change to the article, please specify what it is and what sources you are citing to backup that change. Thanks. --McSly (talk) 02:32, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

This is a very waited article, the citation from nature magazine is not a very good example. Because there are reports that they are no longer a critical source due to baise on climate change. Shenqijing (talk) 11:38, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

The real Science behind this modality and not it's form is what is now being presented as new modern mindset in science. The mindset is a inductive Geocentric science like Geology. This is why it is now up being taught as new integrative ecology in higher education institutions. Here in Melbourne Confucian classes and TCM are being taught at the University of Melbourne. This is why the WHO introduced this modality. Prevention( Chinese Medicine) is better than the Cure (Occidental Medicine). Even this is not explicit enough. Inductive= Chinese Medicine. Deductive = Occidental. Shenqijing (talk) 11:54, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Updated Page please.[edit]

. The real Science behind this modality and not it's form but it's mindset, it is now being presented as a new modern mindset in science. The mindset is a inductive Geocentric science like Geology so is about Human beings and the relationship with Nature, ecology phisical emotional and spiritual health perfect for a Enviroment reboot. This is why it is now being taught as new integrative ecology in higher education institutions. Here in Melbourne Confucian classes and TCM are being taught at the University of Melbourne. This is why the WHO introduced this modality. Prevention ( Chinese Medicine) is better than the Cure (Occidental Medicine) as we have seen with the recent events. Even this is not explicit enough. Inductive= Chinese Medicine. Deductive = Occidental. We need to work on this page. As Chinese medicine is very broad and has influenced many cultures India, Greece and Rome for pulse blood pressure technology. Japanese medicine is based on Chinese Medicine as their information comes from Chinese text, as does their formative written language Kanji. This is just another example of another very refined cultural use of this model. The mindset is in Confucian, Taoist and Buddhism, Shinto and and and. Shenqijing (talk) 12:11, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

The cited publication is seen to be a less than critical source to date by many non basis Scientific community members. The article is about donkey health more than TCM. There are many unethical practices that we could discuss from both TCM and Occidental Medicine. Shenqijing (talk) 12:19, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zezen Shenqijing (talk) 12:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

As above, please see WP:NOTFORUM. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 12:31, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Distinguishing TCM from "Western" Medicine[edit]

There is a disagreement on how to distinguish TCM from modern, western medicine. Both sides have their points. Since the main feature distinguishing the two is the use of double-blind, random-controlled studies to prove safety and efficacy in western medicine, I propose the widely-used term "evidence-based medicine" or "modern, evidence-based medicine" for the latter. I will wait for a week before making this change to see if there is a better suggestion. JimGibson1 (talk) 18:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

What is western medicine? -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 19:57, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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