Talk:Chernobyl

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? edit Frequently asked questions (FAQ)
Q1: Shouldn't the title be Chornobyl (with an o)?
A1: No. While the standard transliteration of the city's name is Chornobyl, the name as used in the English language is overwhelmingly Chernobyl. Per WP:COMMONNAME, the latter should be used.

Abandoned city?[edit]

From what I can tell, the city is not abandoned any longer and there are people living there. Should the article be changed to reflect that? — Alex(U|C|E) 05:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Abandoned city is linked to ghost town. The introduction of that article says "It may be a partial ghost town such as Tonopah, Nevada... A true ghost town is totally abandoned, such as Bodie, California, but often will see visitors..." Thus, it's not totally wrong to refer to Chernobyl as abandoned city. Officially, there are no permanent residents in Chernobyl. Unofficially, there are few, but it's incomparably less than before the accident. There are also temporary residents (workers, scientists, visitors). They have been there since the accident. If there is better terminology than "abandoned city" to characterize such situation, we should definite use it. --Novelbank 07:02, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Ghost towm ?[edit]

The article states the place is a near ghost town with just a few power plant workers/liquidators resident there (part time) but looking around the place on google streetview [1] it seems to be doing remarkably well. Quite a few pedestrians walking about in the streets and parks (all of which seem fairly well kept) How can this be ???? Also whats with the large pipework one sees around some of the apartment blocks and transversing roads on overhead gantries [2]? Is this some kind of district heating system ? 90.220.149.152 (talk) 20:47, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Still radioactive?[edit]

The article says: "Chernobyl City and its surrounding suburbs are now home to nuclear scientists, maintenance officials for the Chernobyl Power Plant, Liquidation Officials, doctors, physicists, and most of all, radiation physicists. Although neighboring Pripyat remains unmaintained, Chernobyl has been renovated and is now home to more than 500 permanent residents, including visitors to the Zone of Alienation who stay at a local lodge in the Chernobyl suburbs."

It lists no outside articles that confirm that there are up to 500 people staying in Chernobyl. Even after 20+ years, there would still be trace amounts of radiation; at least enough to make you not want to stay for too long.

This paragraph needs to be sourced, since I'm sure I'm not the only one who wonders if it is true or not.

kkarma (talk) 07:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey kkarma. I agree that this seems like a controversial detail that requires good sourcing and so Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden of evidence applies. Posting here is the right place to make your concern known. Of course, there's also the possibility that you can research this yourself and either source the statement, or replace with what is correct with a source which would come under the heading of "{{sofixit}}".--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:36, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

City status[edit]

Whether a municpality is a city, town, township, hamlet, village, etc., depends entirely upon local legal definition. In England, for example, a city is a town that has a cathedral. Thus, when Chelmsford's parish church was remodeled into Chelmsford Cathedral, the Town of Chelmsford became the City of Chelmsford. In the U.S. State of New York and other northeastern states, a "township" is a municipal corporation within a "town" whereas in most of the United States "town" is a generic term for a municipal corporation (village or city, respectively), legally within one or more townships; or legally adjacent to one or more townships. In the State of California, which abolished townships in 1961, the words "city" and "town" are synonymous by law - thus, e.g., while their formal names are Town of Hillsborough and Town of Atherton, they are cities as a matter of law. In the State of Michigan, there are cities, villages, charter townships, and civil townships. A township (civil or charter) is an administrative division of a county, which is an administrative division of a state; thus, townships cannot cross county lines. Cities are fully autonmous jurisdictions that report to the state through the county or counties in which they are situated (e.g. Milan, Michigan is located in two counties), while villages are subordinate to the townships and counties in which they are located. E.g. Before Chelsea, Michigan voted to elevate itself from village to city, it was part of two neighbouring townships but is now not part of either of them. As to size, there are minimum standards to incorporate as a village or city but no maximum standards; and incorporation is not required. Thus, there are cities in Washtenaw County that have smaller populations than some townships and charter townships: 1) City of Ann Arbor, 113,934, 2) Charter Township of Ypsilanti, 53,363, 3) Charter Township of Pittsfield, 34,663, 4) City of Ypsilanti, 21,018, 5) Scio Township, 20,081, 6)Charter Township of Superior, 13,058, 7) City of Saline, 8,810, 8) Charter Township of York, 8,708, 9) Township of Northfield (southern Whitmore Lake), 8,245, and rounding out the top 10)Township of Webster, 6,784 - which is larger than the other three cities in Washtenaw County, both villages, the two remaining charter townships, and the remaining 11 civil townships.
So, whether Chornobyl (Ukrainian spelling has now replaced the Russian spelling) is/was a city or had some other appellation depends entirely upon how Ukraine defines "city" and whether or not the governments of Soviet Ukraine or/and post-Soviet Ukraine classified it as such, or called it something else. According to Wikipedia, Chornobyl achieved city status in 1941. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:C300:3950:310D:8EBE:E42B:CAD3 (talk) 06:15, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

I haven't really researched this yet but what exactly defines a settlement to be a city in that area? The article states that 15,000 people lived there prior to the accident which hardly sounds city sized to me, barely even makes it a town in my books, more like a very large village. Lots of articles and quotes casually refer to it as a city but are they correct/accurate? Opinions... 86.162.23.95 (talk) 10:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually I think 15.000 is to much. Most sources I know talk about 12.000 - 14.000. But not 50.000. And about city's, I have no idea about Ukraine but I was born in a city (with legal city rights) with 3.500 inhabitants. --Fano (talk) 20:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Well maybe not "in your book", but it was certainly larger than a village, I would classify it as a town, it was too small to be a city, but surely not small enough to classify it as a village.

You should classify it as the Government of Ukraine classified it. Per Wikipedia, the Government of Soviet Ukraine made it a city in 1941; and that designation did not change afterward, except the City of Chornobyl (Ukrainian spelling has replaced the old Russian spelling) was effectively wiped off the map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:C300:3950:310D:8EBE:E42B:CAD3 (talk) 06:20, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

City or town?[edit]

the city had about 14,000 residents
According to Wikipedia, it held city status from 1941 until is de facto obliviation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:C300:3950:310D:8EBE:E42B:CAD3 (talk) 06:17, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

I would normally call a place with only 14,000 inhabitants a village rather than a city, but I'm not familiar with Ukranian standards for this kind of thing. Should we maybe replace "city" by "town" to be neutral in this regard? QVVERTYVS (hm?) 09:25, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

We call it whatever sources call it. Politically, it was a city. Staszek Lem (talk) 21:46, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Chernobyl should redirect to Chernobyl disaster[edit]

That's what everyone that typed in chernobyl came to see, not an article explaining the name origin of the word "chernobyl". This article could be move to Chernobyl (city). — Preceding unsigned comment added by RaptorHunter (talk • contribs) 18:21, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page already moved by someone. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:34, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Chernobyl → Chernobyl (city) —

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

GOCE[edit]

Just finished the copy edit, removing the template, added some citation needed tags, etc. Seraphim System (talk) 04:04, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

2017 population[edit]

I removed the un-referenced mention of a 207 population.

Chernobyl is within the Exclusion Zone, which is an area of mandatory resettlement.

Chernobyl town is inhabited, but this is by those working for the decommissioning of the power plant and in the monitoring / clean-up of the Zone. These are not permanent residents, they live their on a temporary basis, reducing the time they spend there for obvious occupational risk reasons.

There are some returnees, but they o not live in Chernobyl town, they live in their small-holdings and nearby villages. There are also a lot less than 690 of them by current counts.

A count of the temporary population of Chernobyl would be interesting to include, as well as a count of the returnees, but I cannot find any reference for this. For now, I've just removed the count as it's miselading and probably incorrect; as Chernobyl, technically, has no permanent residents.Cooper42(Talk)(Contr) 18:40, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

City name is Chornobyl[edit]

As it appears in the US Geo Names Database http://geonames.nga.mil/gns/html/index.html Chornobyl is approved, chernobyl is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.94.86.34 (talk) 00:00, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Which is only binding on US government agencies. General English usage is still Chernobyl. Remember, English is not a regulated language. Government decrees are pretty much irrelevant.--Khajidha (talk) 04:19, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
{ping:Khajidha} where is the link Please give a link and a community decision that the name of this city must meet the US GOVERNMENT AGENCIES standard. Your refusal for me is only your personal opinion to block name changes. I must be sure that your refusal is based on policies for all countries.
For example, recording the name of this sportsman Shovkovskiy in Russian name instead of the present Shovkovskyi and many other cases - this all confirms Moyc's conclusion: there is a conspiracy of European Wikipedia looking for any opportunity to ignore the Ukrainian present--Bohdan Bondar (talk) 16:55, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
You seem to be having trouble comprehending English. I'm not the one claiming that we should follow governmental standards. We follow common English usage. If that common usage does not match what Ukrainians prefer, that is their problem not ours. --Khajidha (talk) 13:47, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
The only "conspiracy" at work here is the convention to use English. If said sportsman is more often referred to in English by the Russian name, then that is what we should and will use. --Khajidha (talk) 14:27, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Chernobyl or Chornobyl?[edit]

The spelling of the city in this article is drastically inconsistent. It is spelled Chernobyl in some places, Chornobyl in others. The article needs to adapt a consistent spelling. JIP | Talk 22:42, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

It was edited by one of the users in order to change it to Ukrainian transliteration. However, Wikipedia should use the most widely known terms and names. This city is infamous known for a nuclear disaster which occurred there during Soviet era when Russian was in use in that city. So this word entered to all other languages directly from Russian and hence uses Russian transliteration. The name of Chernobyl is widely used in literature, science, fiction etc. So it should remain in its most widely known form.--Orange-kun (talk) 11:02, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
I don't care whether it's Chernobyl or Chornobyl. My point is that the article should be consistent, pick one spelling and stick to it. JIP | Talk 13:09, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

@JIP and Orange-kun:interesting situation with translation most of the world-famous cartographic internet services began using Chornobyl: googl maps (english version ), yandex international, wego.here.com. michelin.com Text sources in different tr4anslations interesting situation with translation We hope in the near future, the English Wikipedia is completely cleared of the use of Russian fakes (reminiscent of the horrors when Ukrainians were in a Muscovite-Russian prison from the 17th century until 1991) for the geography of Ukraine--Bohdan Bondar (talk) 22:05, 9 April 2019 (UTC)--Bohdan Bondar (talk) 22:05, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

We hope in the near future that Ukrainians will grow up enough to realize that different languages are different and that to try to control the forms of the words used by another language is horrendously arrogant. You'd think that a people who experienced a concerted effort to destroy their language would understand this better. --Khajidha (talk) 11:26, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Region[edit]

Which region is Chernobyl in?

In England we have historical counties, ceremonial counties and regions.

The ceremonial counties are the only ones which matter however, and they are the only ones which are used when writing an address.

For example I live in Bradford, West Yorkshire, England.

Bradford is the city. West Yorkshire is the county. And England is the country.

With the districts/regions/raions of the Ukraine however I can't work out which are the relevant ones, equivalent to an English county or a US state.

Is it the Kiev Oblast Raion or the Ivankiv Raion?

For example is it Chernobyl, Kiev Oblast, Ukraine or Chernobyl, Ivankiv, Ukraine?

Danstarr69 (talk) 00:36, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

It is optional to indicate the Raions, but a serious issue not to indicate the Oblast. So basically it is Ivankiv Raion in/of Kiev Oblast. Thus, it would be Chernobyl, Kiev Oblast or Chernobyl, Ivankiv Raion, Kiev Oblast but totally not a Chernobyl, Ivankiv, Ukraine. Oblast is a 1st level adm division (like US state) while Raion is a 2nd level (like US county).--Orange-kun (talk) 21:44, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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