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Move impeachment to first or second paragraph[edit]

The impeachment of President Clinton, and his status as one of only two presidents to be impeached, should be mentioned in the first paragraph, or at least the second. Hiding it after mention of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 seems silly, no?

I moved the reference to the impeachment to the 2nd paragraph. An editor then reverted my edit and then threatened to block me. I noted that the Andrew Johnson impeachment is in the first paragraph of his bio, and the editor claimed that this was "false equivalency." Okay, then here we are on the talk page.

Is there any doubt that the impeachment of President Clinton is the first most notable element of his presidency? One of only two presidents (well, so far) to be impeached. Certainly more notable than the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, which at this point is also mentioned higher in the bio. Is this in doubt except among partisans?

From The Washington Post's columnist Max Boot, discussing the possible impeachment of Donald Trump: "Trump has no desire to go down in history as only the third president in 230 years to be impeached. This will leave an indelible stain on his presidency that no amount of spin can wash off. Impeachment will be in the first paragraph of his obituary, just as it is now in the first paragraph of Bill Clinton's Encyclopaedia Britannica entry."

For comparison, here is the first paragraph of the Encyclopedia Brittanica on President Clinton: "Bill Clinton, original name William Jefferson Blythe III, (born August 19, 1946, Hope, Arkansas, U.S.), 42nd president of the United States (1993–2001), who oversaw the country's longest peacetime economic expansion. In 1998 he became the second U.S. president to be impeached; he was acquitted by the Senate in 1999."

And here is the first paragraph of Wikipedia: "William Jefferson Clinton (born William Jefferson Blythe III; August 19, 1946) is an American politician who served as the 42nd president of the United States from 1993 to 2001. Prior to the presidency, he was the governor of Arkansas from 1979 to 1981, and again from 1983 to 1992, and the attorney general of Arkansas from 1977 to 1979. A member of the Democratic Party, Clinton was ideologically a New Democrat, and many of his policies reflected a centrist "Third Way" political philosophy."Pop quizzed (talk) 01:07, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

I propose that we move impeachment into the second paragraph, as it is the most notable feature of the Clinton presidency. Only a BLP concern keeps it, arguably, from being in the first paragraph. Simply move up the text on impeachment, which now is buried in the third paragraph between the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and the budget surplus.
Proposed text of the second paragraph:
In 1998, Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives for perjury and obstruction of justice following allegations that he committed perjury and obstructed justice to conceal an affair with Monica Lewinsky, a 22-year old White House Intern. Clinton was acquitted by the Senate in 1999 and completed his term in office. He is only the second U.S. president—following Andrew Johnson 131 years earlier—to ever be impeached.
The current second paragraph would move down to the third position.Pop quizzed (talk) 16:39, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
This change has been made. Onward.Pop quizzed (talk) 20:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

One of two impeached Presidents, not three[edit]

End of first paragraph, says Bill Clinton is one of three impeached presidents, the third being Donald Trump. Donald Trump has not yet been impeached. Antibob100 (talk) 01:52, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Per Impeachment: "Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body levels charges against a government official. Impeachment does not in itself remove the official definitively from office; it is similar to an indictment in criminal law, and thus it is essentially the statement of charges against the official."IVORK Talk 02:10, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Charges HAVE NOT YET BEEN LEVELED aganst Mr Trump. Trump has not yet been impeached. The full house would need to vote on articles of impeachment. The vote on 2019-10-31 was on an investigation only. Do not edit the article if you do not know what you are talking about. Montestruc (talk) 04:28, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Trump has since been impeached. Minecrafter0271 (talk) 21:11, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2019[edit]

The article has been vandalised and a line added that is not relevant to the article. Referring to edit made 10:52, 27 December 2019‎ in this sentence; In addition, he secured the release of two American journalists imprisoned by North Korea, visiting the capital Pyongyang in 2009 and negotiating their release with then-North Korean leader Kim Jong-il and epstein didn't kill himself.

It should be reverted back to; In addition, he secured the release of two American journalists imprisoned by North Korea, visiting the capital Pyongyang in 2009 and negotiating their release with then-North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. Gamlik (talk) 11:42, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing this out. I've dealt with both the edit and its perpetrator. -- Hoary (talk) 12:23, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

"Harry Morris Warner" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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