Talk:Euthanasia

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Foundations 2 2019, Group 8c goals[edit]

Our goals include:

  • Updating the "legal status" section to be more up-to-date on new laws that are in the works of being passed and those that have been passed.
  • Expand "euthanasia debate" section to include more viewpoints since it is currently short and heavily focused on Emmanuel.
  • Condense "physician sentiment" and "religious views" as subsections of "euthanasia debate".
  • Create a section on "process of euthanasia" to inform readers which options would be presented to a patient who has elected for passive or active euthanasia and which patients are eligible for euthanasia.
  • Update history section with current events of the euthanasia movement, such as Brittany Maynard, and its presentation in popular literature, such as "Of Mice and Men" by John Steinbeck.

Vivianle17 (talk) 22:03, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Vivianle17, I noticed your comment "Expand "euthanasia debate" section to include more viewpoints since it is currently short and heavily focused on Emmanuel." I recently did this by exploring the intersectionality of Angel of mercy (criminology) and euthanasia. I clarified the difference between the two and explained a concern that the latter could be misrepresented by the former. My edits were immediately reverted stating "Revert, this is irrelevant for this article." However, a search on Google scholar for "angel of mercy" + euthanasia gives 127 results. More results can be found by searching "nurses who kill" + euthanasia. This is not only a theoretical concern, there have been documented instances in criminology where the murderer claims that the murder was committed with euthanasia as a motive, but this is not true. The distinction and connection between the two is an existing topic in the scholarly literature. I am open to creating a separate section (perhaps on the browder topic of social or cultural iatrogenesis related to euthanasia, as crime by health care professionals and euthanasia are discussed as forms of this outside wikipedia) for this intersectionality, or incorporating it into the debate section.
Distinctions between the two concepts are discussed in other literature I have not included in this article:
  • Reconceptualizing the notion of victim selection, risk, and offender behavior in healthcare serial murders CK Lubaszka, PC Shon - Journal of Criminal Psychology, 2013 - emeraldinsight.com (link to abstract)
  • Caring to death: The murder of patients by nurses J Field, A Pearson - International journal of nursing practice, 2010 - Wiley Online Library (link to abstract)
  • Inside the Minds of Healthcare Serial Killers: Why They Kill, By Katherine M. Ramsland, page 8
This one discusses a murderer who claimed the motive was euthanasia:
In addition there are three sources used in my reverted edit, which are
  • Field, John (October 2007). "Chapter 5". Caring to Death: a discursive analysis of nurses who murder patients (PDF) (Ph.D. thesis). University of Adelaide. Retrieved September 18, 2019.
  • Fox, James Allen; Levin, Jack A.; Quinet, Kenna (March 22, 2018). Will to Kill, The: Making Sense of Senseless Murder, 5th Edition. Newbury Park, California: SAGE Publications. p. 308. ISBN 1506365965.
  • Cohen, Lewis; Ganzini, Linda; Mitchell, Christine; Arons, Stephen; Goy, Elizabeth; Cleary, James (December 13, 2005). "Accusations of Murder and Euthanasia in End-of-Life Care" (PDF). Journal of Palliative Medicine. 8 (6): 1096–1104. doi:10.1089/jpm.2005.8.1096. Retrieved September 18, 2019.)--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 13:00, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
This is a similar situation to what happened with the lengthy inclusion of the Nazi "euthanasia" program on this page. It did not belong here. Criminals can call murdering "euthanasia" all they want, but it's still not euthanasia. Editors who try to force material linking murder to euthanasia into the article are usually pushing a religious or political barrow. Ratel (talk) 01:54, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
But isn't it important to distinguish between the two? Perhaps this topic belongs (in short form) in the categories discussion instead. The reason this comes up under debate is that this particular type of murder is already rather hard to detect, (this comes up multiple times of the literature), and legalized euthanasia makes it even harder to detect. Maybe an analogy could be that in most places it is illegal to pick up roadkill to eat or skin, and this is especially because the prohibition on this makes the game warden's job easier. The barrow that is pushed here is the criminology scholarship barrow, but as the goal stated above "Expand "euthanasia debate" section to include more viewpoints," and this viewpoint is not discussed anywhere yet. This is not slippery slope fallacy, it is concern about cultural and social iatrogenesis.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 02:10, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Dutch use of Euthanasia[edit]

In the article it is claimed that the Dutch do not use the word Euthanasia, however in more recent development this term does start to appear making a difference between itself and assisted suicide Thomas Westerlaken (talk) 11:24, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

The article only states that "Dutch law" does not use the term. Of you have proof that the law now makes that difference explicitly, then please add it with sources. (Note: a judgement of the High Court is not a law.) The Banner talk 12:30, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
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