Talk:First aid

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"Biased Article re Bandages"[edit]

It mentions Greeks using bandages but ignores that most greek doctors studied in ancient Egypt (once called Kmt aka Kemet). Remember that ancient African Egyptians were wrapping bodies (we call them mummies) and Imhotep was treating and wrapping patients thousands of years ago, and way before the people we today call Greeks. I will attempt to correct the article, but usually when I make such corrections, racists among the Wikipedia editor teams, delete my edits and block me for editing articles. --2604:2000:DDD1:4900:EDC7:A73D:C147:9C56 (talk) 10:28, 12 March 2017 (UTC). I like how the colorful history of first aid is shown.

"Aims"[edit]

This bullet point under the "Aims" section appears to be a run on sentence.

"Prevent further harm: also sometimes called prevent the condition from worsening, or danger of further injury, this covers both external factors, such as moving a patient away from any cause of harm, and applying first aid techniques to prevent worsening of the condition, such as applying pressure to stop a bleed becoming dangerous."
How can we make it better?

Brad paintball13 (talk) 11:33, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

"Aims" is one of the headings in the table of content. This heading is vague because it has no subheading that gives hints what kinds of aims or how many aims the section has. In this section, there are three key aims of first aid have discussed. I think listing the name of the three aims as a subheading under the heading "Aims" would help the readers know what the first aid aims are before reading the section. I would like to add "Preserve life", "Prevent further harm", and "promote recovery" as the three subheadings. Chuchusha1 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:31, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Colors mentioned in the first aid symbol caption[edit]

The caption reads: "The universal first aid symbol (or the background may be red with a white cross)" but a white cross on red forms the Swiss national flag and is not recognized internationally as a first aid symbol, even if many manufacturers ignore this. The "may be" in this caption could suggest that a white cross on red is acceptable, which it isn't. The article "First aid kit" does not make this mistake[1] and correctly cites only the ISO 7010 white cross on green. Should the caption be changed to remove this IMHO misleading addition? PsyQ (talk) 08:44, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Key Skills[edit]

I cited a few references to the material written in the "Key Skills" section. I would like to remove the Template now but I would prefer consensus first. The two sources I found are:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0300957299000349#! (which is from a scholastic journal search)

and

https://web.archive.org/web/20050718074705/http://www.resus.org.uk/pages/alsABCDE.htm (which is from a different Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABC_(medicine) )

Wikipedia editing class intended work:[edit]

Hello everyone, Myself and another medical student will be working on this page for the next month or so as part of a wikipedia editing class.

My intended process includes the following: Print and read through entire article making note of weirdnesses and brainstorming other sections. Read talk page and archived page to see what are current and past concerns. Look for exemplars of similar things (CPR was also C grade... maybe carpal tunnel surgery or breast conserving surgery as was suggested by colleagues? Not sure what is really a parallel for structure) Make a list of potential new sections I know I specifically want to include some sort of triage/ABCs ish diagram, have a clear list of links to how tos, link stuff in the FA kit, separate the element components of first aid. I think I'm going to to look at up to date? Or maybe just google first aid / first aid encyclopedia to get more background. Suggestions and Comments welcome! 2019MMM (talk • contribs)

Just confirming that I intend to work with @2019MMM: on this page as a team for this project :) Myoglobin (talk) 16:56, 14 July 2019 (UTC)


a few thoughts re: article thus far!
- I'm a bit confused about what "first aid" is at all – is it something with a formal definition (by the red cross or any other institution), multiple formal definitions, or just an abstract concept that encompasses basically anything that involves front-line sort of medical care? The article seems to vacillate b/w first aid being more-or-less anything to discussing ubiquitous, essential skills one is trained in. I'm down for the article to encompass both formalized first aid and that administered by any layperson with some common sense, but making that distinction clearer might help.
e.g. in "key skills" section "a first aid attendant would determine adequacy of breathing and provide rescue breathing if necessary" seems to assume a decent amount of formal training. I can see how dealing with definitional ambiguity would be rough, and specificity poses the risk of overdoing it; breaking down BLS/ACLS what have you may undermine the ubiquity of first aid.
- Also under the "key skills" section - i'm honestly just a little confused about its purpose. I follow w/ the 3 P's (technically I'm pretty sure that's not an "acronym," so much as just a mnemonic... i know that's nitpicky!) in the section above, but then all of a sudden it feels like the article dives into being a pseudo-manual for BLS. If you want to keep the instructional aspect of it, maybe use the 3 P's as subsection formatting, and then also put the ABCs (and Ds) under the first P as a breakdown of what "preserving life" demands.
- first aid services section seems minimal – this might be a good place to discuss CPR/BLS/ACLS/lifeguards/"first aider" certs and the general ubiquity of first aid provision. Maybe even include a mention of good samaritan principles/laws here, to address the whole population of layperson first aid providers
- the section on first aid kit is oddly specific - does a first aid kit HAVE to consist of a plastic box or durable bag? (if yes, please reference!)
- the article brings up St. John and Red Cross a LOT; I realize that the Red cross is incredibly universal and historically significant, but maybe make it seem less like they are the only first aid providers in the world (unless they are and then make that clear)
- Some copyediting stuff
- I would maybe rename the "Early history and warfare" section to just History – the subsections get modern pretty fast and the warfare aspect seems more just a part of history rather than something that demands an addition to the section title
- the third P needs help – also a period
- the citations are generally good, and I like the decent mix of practical and historical info in lead
- took a quick look at the talk pg topic on first aid symbols, and appreciate the selection of associated symbols at the bottom
Slxiao1317 (talk) 03:42, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

I like how the history of first aid is shown, I also like the highlighting of the three p's and the pictures that pertain well to the topic. I only spotted a few issues. In the beginning when you are talking about the different rules of first aid in various countries you should maybe add some links to those rules. Also maybe mention the downside of first aid where people have gotten sued for causing more harm than good. Lastly, there are almost no references under the training heading.

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