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Could you please change the chosen picture of the forget-me-not for one which has a petal orientated toward the top to show the auspicious pentagram of the forget-me-not symbol not the inverted one? Pdeloche (talk) 09:03, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
Not done. Feel free to suggest an alternate picture, but there's no indication why having it turned would matter. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 13:03, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
Agree with DV... Freemasonry does not care which way the petals point. Blueboar (talk) 13:13, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
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The section "Joining a lodge" says "The absolute minimum requirement of any body of Freemasons is that the candidate must be free". Free in what sense? Not a slave, not in prison, not married? A [clarification needed] is needed there, but I can't add it myself. 2A02:2149:A000:8200:FD54:61BD:C8BC:96FD (talk) 12:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Could we add the fact of them being connected to cathedral builders (stonemasons), who were a sort of closed society due to their knowledge, skills, which were secret and limited? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.246.162.6 (talk) 16:54, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
We need concrete connections and references. Neville Barker Cryer thought he detected family relations between the operative lodge at York Minster and the old lodge that persisted to the 1790s as the Grand Lodge of All England. That's a single example in a vast subject. We can't connect to Cathedral builders in general, and the lodges that can show continuity from operative to speculative are mainly civic and Scottish. Suggestions welcome. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 00:03, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
Is it just me or does the lead (just like the article) offer no definition of what Freemasonry is? What is the reader supposed to take away from the article? That it's a secular discussion club? A hybrid of religious and progressive attitudes? Something else entirely? One would expect a little more from a GA. Toccata quarta (talk) 06:03, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
The definition is in the first sentence... Freemasonry is a group of fraternal organizations. Blueboar (talk) 11:44, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
I humbly submit that's insufficient. HiLo48 (talk) 22:23, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Given that Freemasonry varies significantly across space and time, and what it means can vary from one Freemason to the next, I humbly submit that an overarching, simple definition is the best. For a fuller definition of what masonry is and isn't, the rest of the article do a decent job of explaining it. WegianWarrior (talk) 04:19, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
On that basis, the lead of our Scouting article should merely say "Scouting is a group of youth organisations". It says a lot more. HiLo48 (talk) 21:10, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
The one thing (indeed the only thing) that all branches and forms of Freemasonry have in common is this: the Fraternity attempts to bring men together in harmony so they can form bonds of "brotherly love and affection" (ie friendship). THAT, I would submit, is it's primary purpose and goal. All the rest (from the philosophical discussion to the festive dinners) is HOW it attempts to achieve that purpose and goal. Blueboar (talk) 23:37, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Britannica opens its article with "...the teachings and practices of the secret fraternal (men-only) order of Free and Accepted Masons, the largest worldwide secret society." Would paraphrasing that be appropriate? HiLo48 (talk) 03:49, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Freemasonry isn't (broadly speaking) a secret society, it is a society with secrets. WegianWarrior (talk) 17:06, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
So how about we say THAT in the lead? HiLo48 (talk) 21:39, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
I believe we already do address the part of being a society with secrets; "The candidate of these three degrees is progressively taught the meanings of the symbols of Freemasonry, and entrusted with grips, signs and words to signify to other members that he has been so initiated.". As for not being a secret society, I see no reason to state a negative. WegianWarrior (talk) 20:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
The secrecy isn't mentioned in the lead. HiLo48 (talk) 21:16, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Not done. Feel free to suggest an alternate picture, but there's no indication why having it turned would matter. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 13:03, 11 April 2020 (UTC) 
Not done. Feel free to suggest an alternate picture, but there's no indication why having it turned would matter. –
Done. El_C 13:07, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Done
Done Danski454 (talk) 03:34, 1 August 2020 (UTC) 
Done 
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