Talk:Augustine of Hippo

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Augustine and "dubito ergo sum"[edit]

Is there a Vol 20 of De Trinitate? Per this source, Augustine is indicated as stating "Dubito, ergo sum" at De Trinitate 20:21. Some time back, I had tracked down a document that appeared to be the source, but was uncertain re its provenance and can no longer locate it. Can someone help? (It would make a nice addition to the Cogito, ergo sum page. Thanks Humanengr (talk) 00:38, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

No, there are only 15 books in the De Trinitate. The most relevant passage I've found is this, from book 10:
Etiam si dubitat, vivit; si dubitat, unde dubitet meminit; si dubitat, dubitare se intellegit; si dubitat, certus esse vult; si dubitat, cogitat; si dubitat, scit se nescire.
Even if he doubts, he lives; if he doubts, he remembers why he doubts; if he doubts, he understands that he doubts; if he doubts, he wishes to be certain; if he doubts, he thinks; if he doubts, he knows that he does not know." 18.20.188.223 (talk) 16:28, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Argument from truth[edit]

I think that a section should be added on Augustine's argument for the existence of God- the argument from truth. I would write it in as follows: "Augustine advocated an original argument for the existence of God, sometimes termed the argument from truth. It has often been compared to the argument from consciousness. Peter Kreeft, a Catholic philosopher, has phrased it as follows:

  1. Our limited minds can discover eternal truths about being.
  2. Truth properly resides in a mind.
  3. But the human mind is not eternal.
  4. Therefore there must exist an eternal mind in which these truths reside.

Kreeft has stated that such an argument would appeal to those who believe in Plato's theory of forms, because the view that eternal forms require an eternal mind is a logical step. However, Kreeft, a nominalist, feels that such an argument is premature, because science may disprove it- fitting into either the God of the gaps or the argument from ignorance fallacy.

The argument was also phrased by the philosopher Gordon Clark, who summarised it as follows:

  1. Truth exists.
  2. Truth is immutable (unchangeable).
  3. Truth is eternal.
  4. Truth is mental (pertaining to mind or minds).
  5. Truth is superior to the human mind.
  6. Truth is God."

I feel that this is an important contribution as Augustine spends many pages discussing it in The City of God. A reference for this information included above is here: [1] A reference could also be taken from Augustine's book, where the matter is discussed more thoroughly.

EDIT: Here is another reference to a page where the argument is discussed, and from where I have found further information upon the later developments in Augustinian philosophy that have furthered the argument: [2]109.151.189.203 (talk) 17:47, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Bradv🍁 13:47, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Augustine and Jerome[edit]

Somewhere I read Augustine opposed Jerome's correction of the Septuagint using material from Hebrew texts. (Septuagint used as a prophecy source in the Gospels.) Can anyone verify this source? If so, shouldn't this be contained in this article? Miistermagico (talk) 06:03, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

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