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James Buchanan[edit]

James Buchanan was *not* an ambassador; he was minister to Great Britain and Russia. Ambassador is a specific rank, and the United States did not have ambassasors until 1893. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.245.174.10 (talk) 14:30, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request for Abraham Lincoln[edit]

Some sources I found that could be added for the "assassination" section on the Abraham Lincoln page. These have mentioned by some respected sources, and even a few historians. It is used on MTL's article.

"As he died his breathing grew quieter, his face more calm.[1] According to some accounts, at his last drawn breath, on the morning after the assassination, he smiled broadly and then expired.[2][3][4][5][6] Historians, most notably author Lee Davis have emphasized Lincoln's peaceful appearance when and after he died: "It was the first time in four years, probably, that a peaceful expression crossed his face."[7] Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Lincoln Administration, Maunsell Bradhurst Field wrote, "I had never seen upon the President's face an expression more genial and pleasing."[4][8] The President's secretary, John Hay, saw "a look of unspeakable peace came upon his worn features".[9]"

Okay, well at the very least, regardless, the words "After death his face relaxed into a smile" are a bit clumsy and should be changed to something more simple like "According to some accounts, at his last drawn breath, on the morning after the assassination, he smiled broadly and then expired".— Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.218.154 (talk) 18:45, October 17, 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps I should have said that it is terrible English "After death his face relaxed into a smile" - and that it should be changed to be less stupid sounding; at least, that is how I viewed it. Besides, it dosen't have to be the exact words I suggested, perhaps just use "smiled broadly". After all, there is no possible way for a person to smile "AFTER" death, so it should mean he smiled "WHEN" he died. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.218.154 (talk) 20:26, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Tarbell, Ida Minerva (1920). The Life of Abraham Lincoln. 4. p. 40.
  2. ^ Fox, Richard (2015). Lincoln's Body: A Cultural History. W. W. Norton & Company. ISBN 0393247244.
  3. ^ Smith, Adam (8 July 2015). "With a smile on his face" – via content.The Times Literary Supplement.co.uk.
  4. ^ a b "Now He Belongs to the Ages - BackStory with the American History Guys". Abraham Lincoln died, according to press reports, with a smile on his face. "I had never seen upon the president's face an expression more genial and pleasings," wrote a New York Times reporter.
  5. ^ Abel, E. Lawrence (2015). A Finger in Lincoln's Brain: What Modern Science Reveals about Lincoln, His Assassination, and Its Aftermath. ABC-CLIO. Chapter 14.
  6. ^ "President Lincoln's Thoughts on April 14, 1865". When he finally gave up the struggle for life at 7:22 A.M., his face was fixed in a smile, according to one bedside witness, treasury official, a smile that seemed almost an effort of life. Lincoln has passed on smoothly and contentedly, his facial expression suggesting that inner peace that prevailed as his final state of mind.
  7. ^ Assassinations That Changed The World, History Channel
  8. ^ "OUR GREAT LOSS; The Assassination of President Lincoln.DETAILS OF THE FEARFUL CRIME.Closing Moments and Death of the President.Probable Recovery of Secretary Seward. Rumors of the Arrest of the Assassins.The Funeral of President Lincoln to Take Place Next Wednesday.Expressions of Deep Sorrow Through-out the Land. OFFICIAL DISPATCHES. THE ASSASSINATION. Further Details of the Murder Narrow Recape of Secretary Stanton Measures Taken is Prevent the Escape of the Assassin of the President. LAST MOMENTS OF THE PRESIDENT. Interesting Letter from Maunsell B. Field Esq. THE GREAT CALAMITY". The New York Times. 1865-04-17. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2016-04-12.
  9. ^ Hay, John (1915). The Life and Letters of John Hay Volume 1 (quote's original source is Hay's diary which is quoted in "Abraham Lincoln: A History", Volume 10, Page 292 by John G. Nicolay and John Hay). Houghton Mifflin Company.

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2019[edit]

PEpe none off this is true me edit 72.231.184.68 (talk) 14:42, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. aboideautalk 14:45, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:1020:8A40:8D7A:9D41:BFDB:F989 (talk) 22:05, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2019[edit]

Born June 23, 1809 Pandalk (talk) 20:42, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Favonian (talk) 20:45, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Indian wars or policy section[edit]

Any chance of a section on Indian policy or Indian wars. I know the focus is the Civil War, but there were Indian Wars too including : Owens Valley War, Dakota War of 1862, and the Yavapai Wars. Cmguy777 (talk) 02:59, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I presented this talk for discussion. No one has yet responded. I believe and Indian policy section is appropriate for the article. Especially how much did the Souix uprising affect the American Civil War ? Lincoln may have used Confederate POWs to fight in Indian Wars. Cmguy777 (talk) 21:29, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
I'd be interested in reading it if it is written up and sourced properly. Maybe start with adding information to the war pages you linked first since this article seems to be continually protected, and then doing a summary edit here? My ability to track down good sources tends towards the sciences so I can't help much in terms of getting it put together, but that's my two cents. --A Shortfall Of Gravitas (talk) 12:47, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
I added two reliable sources and expanded information on Lincoln and Indian policy. I added the section to the article on November 12. I kept the focus on the Souix Uprising, or the Dakota War of 1862. There were the other wars. How did those wars affect Lincoln ? More information would be required. Cmguy777 (talk) 17:59, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Balance at Forced into Glory[edit]

FYI: Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see: Talk:Forced into Glory § Balance: Conflict between Lincoln critics like Bennett, and critics of those critics.

The article (on a somewhat controversial biography of Abraham Lincoln) rarely has editors or even talk-page comments, so additional input is requested. PoV issues with our article have been pointed out since 2009, and the off-site academic controversy involving the book's notable author, Lerone Bennett Jr., and his views about Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation goes back to the 1960s.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

"No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar."...except the man who creates a meme. -Abraham Lincoln[edit]

Hey all, is there anyone that knows the source for this alleged quote for Lincoln? I personally suspect that the quote is nothing but nonsense, but apparently it is nonsense with an at least sixty year history. [1] Thanks for any help. Geographyinitiative (talk) 22:50, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Good evidence that Ulysses Grant said it during the Civil War = Josiah Gilbert Holland; Richard Watson Gilder (1897). The Century Illustrated Monthly Magazine. pp. 359–60. Rjensen (talk) 23:19, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
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